Meeting Minutes 2003-02
FAA/ATA OpSpec Working Group (OSWG)
ATA – Washington, DC
1. Meeting Schedule/Location
April 22-23, 2003
ATA – Washington, DC
July 22-23, 2003
Alaska Airlines – SEA
October 21, 22, 2003
AMTI (FAA) – Washington, DC
January 20-21, 2004
American Airlines, Dallas
*April 27-28, 2004
ATA in Washington, DC
Ø Reminder that at the July meeting it will be time to review the OSWG “SPEC.” The current SPEC is available for your review on the website http://www.opspecs.com. The SPEC is also available on the ATA website. If you do not currently have but desire access to that website, please contact Jim McKie at 202-626-4011 for access to the ATA website.
3. Civil Reserve Air Fleet (CRAF) Update/ Requirements.
The process for obtaining deviations for CRAF operations was reviewed. The deviations to support CRAF were identical. Consequently, the carriers requested that CRAF deviations be placed into OPSS, eliminate the need to “re-invent the wheel” each time a carrier requires an deviation. The carriers also requested that the war name (e.g. “Operation Enduring Freedom”) be removed so that paragraphs can be reused. Connie Streeter stated that all deviations used for Operation Iraqi Freedom would be archived in OPSS for possible use if/when CRAF is activated again. 14 CFR Section 119.55 outlines the requirements for acquiring CRAF deviations.
ACTION: Casey Seabright (NWA) volunteered to put together a collection of “lessons learned” to improve the process. OSWG Members are encouraged to forward comments and “lessons learned” to Casey.
4. RNP Oceanic – Bob Tegeder, AFS - 400
Bob reported on the implementation of the RNP-4 operations, initially in the South Pacific, in coordination with the Australian CAA . RNP-4 is just the navigation portion, but will also require the other portions of CNS. This will be coordinated for inclusion into B036.
Chuck Schramek (DAL) made the comment that requirements for these types of approvals are scattered and need to be consolidated in one reference document
5. 14 CFR Part 119.51 – Amending Operations Specifications
Conducted a short discussion on the use of 14 CFR Section 119.51 regarding the process for amending operations specifications as a result of a query from FedEx. Connie Streeter gave clarification of use of due process provided for in 14 CFR Section 119.51. Order 8400.10 contains more detailed guidance on the subject.
6. Operations Specifications Paragraphs Discussions:
A010: Aeronautical Weather Information - Connie Streeter
Several inquiries from private parties on becoming a QICP. For Qualified Internet Provider (QICP) information
Ø go the FAA Web page (www.faa.gov) and
Ø then click on "How do I become.... more" which will lead you to
Ø the next page where they will see Qualified Internet Communication Provider.
Once you click on that page you will have access to all the information, the Advisory Circular, FAQ, and the list of recognized QICPs.
ACTION: Closed. The OpSpec is now active. Changes were made in the 8400.10, JobAid was modified, and then the OpSpec was changed. This has followed the procedure. If there are no approved sources, you will just list N/A for QICP.
A025—Electronic Recordkeeping/Electronic Flight Bag - Connie Streeter
OpSpec A025 was revised to add a new subparagraph b for the approval of the electronic flight bag. There will also be a title change and a change in A004 statement. NOTE: Until the technical problem is resolved, the Table of Contents will still show the old title and the title in the paragraph will be correct. AC 120-76A, GUIDELINES FOR THE CERTIFICATION, AIRWORTHINESS, AND OPERATIONAL APPROVAL OF ELECTRONIC FLIGHT BAG COMPUTING DEVICES, has been signed.
A052—ADS-B - Connie Streeter
Free Flight Program manager was contacted and agreed to the proposal to remove the column that requires the aircraft registration number of the aircraft and that instead of MMS, only the fleet-MM—would be required in the first column. Connie Streeter revised the paragraph Bring copy of OpSpec—UPS explain how they use it.
Darcy Reed, AFS-330, addressed OpSpec D106. These new paragraphs would provide liability insurance relief to the seasonal operators (A501) and for those that were putting aircraft into long term storage. Darcy is also developing a guidance document that addresses long-term storage aircraft maintenance. The Ops Spec is expected to be issued in the next 30 – 60 days.
B032: En Route Limitations and Provisions
The FAA Nav group that is actively working on the navigation re-write of 8400.10 and part of the objective is to also review all of the Part B OpSpec paragraphs. They have not yet provided comments on the paragraph B032 as proposed by John Cowan (UAL). It was reiterated that the proposal does not change the intent of the paragraph.
Discussions continued on how the current definitions of Class I and Class II navigation and resulting international fuel requirements are antiquated and impractical given the precision and redundancy in today’s navigation equipment. The FAA stated that definition of Class I/II are ICAO standards and would probably not be changed soon, however, industry should show a case for revising fuel/routing requirements based on proven navigational accuracy of multi-sensor Flight Management Systems.
ACTION: Connie Streeter will continue to coordinate proposed change with FAA Nav Specialist, Dave Maloy. Chuck Guy (UAL) and Jim Johnson (AAL) were asked to provide a technical, detailed briefing paper on B043 fuel requirements, reliability, and use of Class I/II procedures. The FAA is willing to work with the operators on the problems they perceive are caused by the Class I/II definitions but without knowing those issues in detail and on a case-by-case basis, the FAA cannot help solve them.
B039/B059—MNPS—Santa Maria FIR, ICAO Annex 6
Connie Streeter reported that OpSpec authorization for Canadian MNPS will probably be made a separate authorization in the part 135 DB and maybe a selectable option in B059. This is because there are part 135 operators that need only the Canadian MNPS authorization and not the NAT/MNPS.
AFS-800 and AFS-400 are now actively engaged in getting the Part 91 regulation changed to show the correct boundaries of the NAT/MNPS with the addition of the Santa Maria FIR.
ACTION: Connie Streeter coordinating with AFS-400 and AFS-200 on splitting out the MNPS for the part 135 carriers only.
C058: Special Restrictions for Foreign Terminal Instrument Procedures
Draft Order 8260.31 will be presented to the Terminal Area Operations Aviation Rulemaking Committee (TAOARC) for review and recommended action. The National Air Carriers Association, in a December 16, 2002 letter to AFS-1, requested to have Order 8260.31 be
assigned to the TAOARC for action at their next meeting (May 14-16, 2003).
This added step is expected to delay publication of this revision for the
The OSWG will forward comments to TAOARC collected over the last several months. The OSWG will track the status of the draft order, however, future OSWG work on this subject will be limited to a support role to the TAOARC.
ACTION: Chuck Guy will forward OSWG comments to TAOARC on the subject of draft Order 8260.31 and coordinate efforts between the two groups.
B045/B054 Single Long Range Comm/Nav
Jackson Seltzer (COA) reported that the geographical area defined in paragraphs B045 and B054 do not correspond to the NY FIR/WATRS airspace. Jackson also questioned the logic of “30 minute gap” in B045 and the reasoning behind this. Exemption 2081 is the original documentation which defined the requirements for this authorization. The preamble to 121.351 lays the foundation for the 30-minute gap.
ACTION: Connie Streeter to follow up on geographical areas. Jackson to research 30 minute question and report at next meeting.
Jim McKie reported that the comment period for AC 121.445 was closed. However, a meeting was held after OSWG 2002-03 with Mr. Jim Balough, Mr. Matt Shack, and Mr. Tom Penland to discuss the issues with the draft AC. Attending the meeting for the OSWG/Training Committee were Jackson Seltzer, Casey Seabright, Chuck Schramek, Jim McKie and Jim Johnson. Concerns about the list of airports appended to the AC and the process of adding airports were shared with the FAA. The FAA offered and proposal to rescind the AC and put this information into an ops spec. The group offered to help write this ops spec. A follow-on meeting to draft a new ops spec for special qualification airports will follow. The draft will be presented at a future meeting.
8. Operations Specifications Subsystem Discussion
Dave Burr is now the new manager of ??? which will oversee OPSS. Dave did not have a wish-list available for review but did discuss general changes to OPSS and asked for the groups input. Priority is to improve the functionality of the OPSS. The goal is to go to a web-based system, not only to go to the Ops Specs, but to draw information from the database. A recommendation from the group is to put data collection type paragraphs (e.g. A403) into a separate paragraph (e.g. Z403).
ACTION: The group is asked to forward recommendations and functionality problems to Dave Burr.
9. Operations Specifications Paragraphs Discussions – Cont’d.
C059/C359: CAT II Approach Authorization
C074. CAT I
Jim Winkleman raised a question about the requirements in order 8400.13 versus paragraph C074. The order allows landing to RVR 1800 without TDZ and CL with flight director, however C074 does not. Jim also proposed removing the table in C074 which list specific runways authorized for these operations. It was reported that Connie Streeter, Jim Winkleman, and Casey Seabright met with Lyle Wink to discuss the guidance in the revised Order 8400.13 and a re-write of the paragraph and handbook guidance. The approved airports would be published as Part 97 SIAP’s and would not require each individual carrier to demonstrate autoland to these runways. The change would also allow the approaches to be conducted via autocouple or flight director to 50 feet below DH.rsus paragraph C074. The order allows landing to RVR 1800 without TDZ and CL with flight director, however C074 does not. Jim also proposed removing the table in C074 which list specific runways authorized for these operations. It was reported that Connie Streeter, Jim Winkleman, and Casey Seabright met with Lyle Wink to discuss the guidance in the revised Order 8400.13 and a re-write of the paragraph and handbook guidance. The approved airports would be published as Part 97 SIAP’s and would not require each individual carrier to demonstrate autoland to these runways. The change would also allow the approaches to be conducted via autocouple or flight director to 50 feet below DH.d a re-write of the paragraph and handbook guidance. The approved airports would be published as Part 97 SIAP’s and would not require each individual carrier to demonstrate autoland to these runways. The change would also allow the approaches to be conducted via autocouple or flight director to 50 feet below DH.
ACTION: Lyle Wink is moving forward with the harmonization initiative to allow RVR 1800 minimums without TDZ and CL to be published as “Standard” instrument approach procedures which would eliminate the list of approved airports from the OpSpec paragraph. Jim Winkleman and Casey Seabright are assisting Connie Streeter in the re-write of the paragraph and supporting guidance.
C089/C090: RNP RNAV Instrument Approaches
Jackson Seltzer and Jim Enais provide a proposal for a standard RNP paragraph C090.
ACTION: Jackson plans to revise the paragraph presented at the meeting. The group should review the proposal for discussion at the next meeting.
D399— Maintenance Program For Lower Landing Minima (LLM) Operations
Connie Streeter reported that the maintenance division agreed there is no requirement for this paragraph but the following statement will be inserted into paragraphs C059 and C060 when a revision is made: “ The certificate holder must maintain the aircraft and equipment listed in Table X in accordance with its approved lower landing minimums continuous maintenance program.”
Will send an updated list of OSWG members in separate message when I have it updated. cjs